14 Responses to How pension accounts can exceed $1.6 million

  1. Neil April 9, 2018 at 5:14 PM #

    This is an interesting aspect of the current rules. However, as we have seen with recent policy of ALP to restrict the refund of imputation credits, the rules can change. It will not be long before the treasury sees this “Scam” loophole, albeit clearly intentional, and closes it.

  2. Andrew November 1, 2017 at 10:41 AM #

    Intuitively that makes sense, but it’s all quite confusing. I did a bit more research and concluded:

    If your total superannuation balance (TSB) is less than $1.4 million on 30 June of a financial year, then in the following financial year you can make NCCs and take advantage of the maximum bring-forward cap of $300,000 – your bring-forward period is 3 years.

    If your TSB is $1.4 million or more, but less than $1.5 million, on 30 June of a financial year, then in the following financial year your maximum bring-forward cap is $200,000 – your bring-forward period is 2 years.

    If your total superannuation balance is $1.5 million or more but less than $1.6 million on 30 June of a financial year, then in the following financial year you can only take advantage of the annual NCC of $100,000 – you have no bring-forward cap.

    It would be worth checking this interpretation with the ATO.

  3. Vicki C October 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM #

    Uh-oh – maybe not! Further down the same page the ATO says:

    “For account-based super income streams, the debits and credits in the transfer balance account are disregarded. Instead, your modified transfer balance includes the current value of the super interest that supports the account-based super income stream at the end of 30 June of the relevant financial year. The current value is the amount that would become payable if you were to voluntarily cease the interest.

    If you only have account-based income streams, generally your retirement phase value will simply reflect the current value of those income streams.”

    So it seems the NCC cap would be based on $1.4m, so the NCC contributions will be limited to $200,000 (at current values)

  4. Vicki C October 30, 2017 at 12:55 PM #

    The new NCC rules include the “transfer balance” (ie not the account balance) of amounts in retirement (pension) phase so $1.2m is counted in the “Total Superannuation Balance” which is used for NCC eligibility.

    See https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/Super-changes/Total-superannuation-balance/

  5. Laine October 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM #

    An aspect I would like clarified is this.

    Assume you have $1.2m in pension mode as at 1 July 17. This leaves $400k still available for you to contribute and move into pension mode.

    Now assume that at 1 July 18 your balance has grown to 1.4m in pension mode after payment of your income. You want to contribute $300k non-concessional to your super using the bring forward provisions and transfer the new amount in to pension mode.

    Are you allowed to do this, using part of your still avalaible $400k or is the amount of your transfer balance recalculated at $1.4m when you add the new amount at 1 July 18 so you can only add $200k.

    Help with this would be appreciated.

    • Andrew October 30, 2017 at 9:04 AM #

      Hi Laine, it’s a good question. This example on the ATO website may be a good indicator.

      Ben is 60 years old, about to retire with an accumulated super balance of $1.5 million. Ben plans to retire during 2017–18. … If Ben starts an account‑based pension valued at $1.5 million, he will still have $100,000 available cap space. Even if the value of Ben’s pension grew due to investment earnings, the amount of available cap space ($100,000) would not change.

      The ATO site also states “a superannuation interest that supports a superannuation income stream that increases in value because of investment earnings (capital gains, interest and dividends) does not have its growth reflected in your transfer balance account”.

      I’m not an expert and happy to be corrected – but based on that, it seems that $400k of cap space is still available.

  6. Ramani October 27, 2017 at 10:21 PM #

    I am struggling to grasp what legitimate investment strategies available now will be denied to a SMSF (or indeed an APRA fund when members keep their pension balances) post 1 July 2017, as long as the transfer balance cap rules are observed. If Kevin can give some examples, it would help clarify his concernsfor everyone.

    I also do not follow ‘free funds’ he mentions. In a SMSF, net assets are usually fully allocated to members, and ATO has already warned any gaming of the TBC through unallocated reserves will receive scrutiny, as an anti-avoidance measure. The risk is not worth it, given that the tax exemption on earnings might be compromised.

  7. Kevin Buxton October 27, 2017 at 2:48 PM #

    I understand where Andrew is coming from – subject to the imposition of the tbc, growth in a fund’s pension account will be determined by future capital appreciation and income growth of the underlying assets. Effectively the tbc creates two asset pools in circumstances where more than $1.6m is held in a fund structure from 1 July.

    A further ATO initiative has been to eliminate asset segregation as the basis for determining a fund’s tax liability. In reality assets supporting taxable and non taxable
    income streams within a fund structure are now considered ” non specific “.

    My contention is that revised tax regulations effectively eliminate certain investment
    strategies previously available to trustees. Certainly ” organic ” growth is available
    as stated above – however re-investment of free funds could be interpreted a
    ” capital injection” when applied to the existing ( non specific ) asset pool underlying
    a funds pension account.

    To be candid this may or may not make sense meaning the situation warrants further clarification. All comments welcome as always – perhaps the ATO may wish to
    comment…….

    cheers

  8. Andrew October 27, 2017 at 11:33 AM #

    My interpretation of this is as follows:

    If you start a pension account with $1.60m, your TBAccount is $1.6m.

    If your pension account grows in the first year at 10% and your pension is paid at 5%, the pension account will grow by a net 5% (ie $80k) to $1.68m. Your TBAccount remains at $1.6m.

    Your pension account can either grow or fall depending on the performance of the assets held and pension paid, and could fall below $1.6m. Your TBAccount remains at $1.6m.

    If your pension account’s average net growth (ie asset growth – pension) was say 2 % over the longer term (eg 20-25 years), your pension account could grow to ~$8-10m through compounding. Your TBAccount would remain at $1.6m.

  9. Kevin Buxton October 26, 2017 at 4:16 PM #

    I may have been the reader referred to in this article – what concerns me is that the newly introduced tax regulations will eliminate re-investment strategies previously available to smsf trustees.

    It is not unrealistic to assume that many self managed super funds have the capacity to generate cash surpluses after meeting minimum pension requirements and other fund expenses. Prior to 1 July, regulations did not preclude the re-investment of “free funds”. With the introduction of amended regulations, for any smsf with member’s funds in excess of the tbc, the re-investment option is no longer available… or so it seems.

    The amended regulations also eliminated asset segregation as a basis for determining tax liability, meaning that any re-investment strategy will result in the smsf exceeding its tax free threshold thereby rendering it non-compliant.

    Gordon has pointed out that “fund surpluses” can be paid to members and this outcome will appeal to many. On the other hand, the opportunity to implement a strategy designed to maintain ongoing fund viability in an increasingly uncertain financial environment has been denied… or so it seems.

    Would welcome all pertinent comments on this issue.

    • Vicki C October 27, 2017 at 9:33 AM #

      Kevin, I’m not sure what you are referring to.

      It’s true that there is no segregation available for a fund with a retirement phase member over the $1.6m cap. That would not prevent “reinvestment”. The trustees can choose whatever investment option they like with any funds, subject of course to meeting their investment strategy.

      There is no “tax-free threshold” for an SMSF.

      It sounds like you think a fund member balance can never go over $1.6m which is not the case.

  10. Frank October 26, 2017 at 10:55 AM #

    The proposed downsizing contribution is not counted and can also be used to exceed the $1.6m cap

    • Damon Erby October 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM #

      Pedro, You may have $2m in your pension account at 30 June 2017. Due to the rule changes, you are now forced to:
      1. Take out $400k cash or
      2. ‘commute’ the $400k to accumulation phase (meaning you will have $1.6m ‘pension account’ earnings of which are tax free, and a $400k ‘accumulation account’, earning on which get taxed at 15%.

      No matter what option you took, you will have a pension balance of $1.6m (which the ATO will know as your TBAR cap transfer amount – which you have maxed out).

      If that $1.6m is invested very well, it may grow to $1.7m by 30 June next year, even after taking out a $64k pension payment. That is fine, there is no ‘excess’. The earnings on the entire $1.7m are still tax free.
      IF the next year goes even better, and grows from $1.7m to $3m (wouldn’t that be nice!), that is still fine, all earnings are tax free. For “TBAR cap” purposes, you still have only used $1.6m of your cap.

  11. Pedro Gonzales October 26, 2017 at 10:53 AM #

    If anyone can enlighten me with some real world examples I would be very grateful. I’m struggling to understand this Eureka moment

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